Carl Gordon is nothing if not
impulsive. He's a New York Assistant U.S. Attorney who tries to escape the
nightmares of his wife's death by lying his way to Stockville , Alabama
Oleatha Geary wants no part of it. She's the tough and
tender Black family matriarch, who inherits a grand home in an all-white,
race-restricted neighborhood called Northwoods. She doesn't want the home, but
she's pressured by her adult children to fight Stockville's most powerful white
citizens.
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About the Author
A former reporter for The Detroit News and
Los Angeles Herald Examiner and a syndicated columnist for 14 years, Mitch
Margo is a native New Yorker and St. Louis
One of Mitch's defining moments came when a
Herald Examiner editor assigned him to drive to San Fernando Valley so the paper could
be the first to report a brushfire, should one start. Aware that San Fernando Valley spans 260 square
miles, he interpreted the request as one to start a brushfire, so he drove to
the Lakers game instead and applied to law school the next morning.
As general counsel to the Missouri Valley
Conference, and a former youth coach, Mitch has an insider's view of basketball
that enables him to write about it authentically. He's also a member of the
Washington University Sports Hall of Fame, at one time holding the school
record in just about every baseball statistic. He's proud of his days as a
student/ athlete, but hasn't lost sight of the fact that you can't get too much
farther from Cooperstown and still be in a hall of fame.
For more information about the book and
upcoming events go to http://www.MitchMargo.com
An Intimate Conversation with Mitch Margo
Have you always been a writer? Do you recall how your interest
in writing originated? I've enjoyed writing and reading for as long as I can
remember. I'm a child of Watergate and that's why I was drawn to journalism as
a young man. But I also loved creative writing, which is what journalism has
now become!
You are a lawyer, how has that influenced you and your writing? Most people think being a trial lawyer is what they see on TV -- lawyers making impassioned speeches in courtrooms to edge-of-their-seat jurors. Not so. Most of a trial lawyer's communications are written in briefs and motions to the judge. 95 percent of all lawsuits are settled before trial. So being a persuasive writer is a great advantage and persuasive means succinct, clear and even entertaining. Most lawyers write in long, complicated, boring sentences. I assume that judges curse them and love me.
Tell us about your latest book. What do
you hope readers take away from it? Black Hearts White Minds (BHWM) is
a story about a time in history that few experienced and most would rather
ignore. I wrote the book about the Civil Rights movement because I missed it.
In 1964 I was nine years old and growing up in New York Deep South during segregation
just like the characters. I hope they take away the frustration of the African
American community that was constantly harassed and kept in a different form of
slavery by a white power structure driven by money, power and ignorance.
Give us an insight into your main character. What does he/she do that is so special? Carl Gordon is the main character, but really only one of the "important" characters. He drags his 12 year old son from New York to Stockville, Alabama to enforce the 1964 Civil Rights Act and he's remarkably unprepared for what he is about to encounter -- the Klan, local law enforcement, the black community. But he's also a great lawyer and a quick learner. He's a hero in his own way, but no more so than Micah, a Black, self-taught intellectual auto mechanic who also happens to be the strongest man in
Was there a real-life inspiration behind your development of characters? Three of the characters are drawn from people I know or have known in the past. Did I mention I love those people? Think about it, they're interesting enough to make a fictional character out of them alone. Now that's a real life character! The rest of the characters are composites of people I've known, stories I've read and my imagination. I think all writers will tell you that there are ribbons of themselves running through their characters. That's certainly true for me. Maybe that's why writers become such good friends with the characters they create.
How did you come up with the title
for Black Hearts White Minds? This book had more working titles than I can
remember. I would list them for you, but one of them might just be the name of
the sequel. (Spoiler alert!) My publisher, along with a focus group came up
with Black Hearts White Minds and I love it. A Black Heart could be
attributed to several of the characters, black and white. So could a white
mind. "Black" and "white" have more than one meaning each,
and nothing is just black and white.
In what genre(s) do you write? Have you looked at a recent list of genres recognized now recognized by the literary community. It's hysterical. There are more categories than Facebook gender identifiers. It's easier to tell you what genre I don't write in - Science Fiction! I think that's because I didn't watch enough TV (except sports) when I was young, and because I'm too grounded in reality, well, maybe reality on steroids, also known as fiction.
How do you find or make time to write?
Are you a plotter or a pantster? I think you have to approach writing
like a job, even if it's a part-time job. You must sit at the typewriter (haha
- computer, I mean) every day except Groundhog Day when you should watch the
movie. But seriously, when I started writing the book I wrote for two hours
most evenings after work. Then a friend/novelist told me she had a different
approach. She wrote until she got to 1000 words and then stopped, even if she
was in mid-sentence. I tried it and it was great. If you stop in mid-sentence,
then you know exactly where to begin the next day. If you write until the end
of a chapter, the next day you could be, like, ok, now what? ... and sit there
for an hour without typing anything.
How much research went into sculpting
this story with a legal thriller/historical/southern motif? Of course it all
comes down to good writing and entertaining the reader, but in historical
novels, research is make-or-brake important. You walk a fine line between
historical accuracy and make believe. I did loads of research. I visited cities
in the South, sought out interviews and went to libraries, but I don't know how
novelists did it before the Internet.
For me the most enjoyable part of researching
the American south in the mid '60s was learning what I didn't know. For
instance, sharecropping. What an awful hoax that was. It really was just an
unofficial new form of slavery after the emancipation. A black family rented a
ramshackle house on a plantation, had to borrow money for seed, rented
equipment from the landowner, always at usurious rates, with the promise that
he could keep a percentage of the farming profits, which there rarely were
because of fictitious expenses and "taxes" created by the white
landowner. The black tenant-farmer couldn't complain or question because then
his family would be thrown out and no other white landowner would rent to him.
It was a horrendous system to perpetuate white supremacy and black economic
despair.
You address some important social
issues inside your new book. Can you explain why you have chosen this
particular subject matter? I believe that if we could eliminate racism,
we'd eliminate virtually all of our country's problems. Really, all of them.
Poverty, education disparity, police aggression, housing discrimination and
even drug abuse. That may be a simplification, but I believe it.
What was your favorite chapter (or
part) to write and why? I especially liked writing the parts of the
book where I'm able to be a smart ass without distracting from the storyline.
Describing the elitist Northwoods neighborhood and its unofficial Mayor, Edith
Spinz, was especially delicious. Bringing the African American pastor to life
was so much fun because he was such a contradiction and so important at the same
time. I like writing dialogue.
I also loved writing about the kids'
relationships, because they're kids and they don't have to follow conventional
rules. For the boys in BHWM, they weren't concerned with color lines, only the
lines on the basketball court. Kids have a lot to teach adults.
Talk us through your experiences in
sports and how they relate to it in this book. Why is team so important that
you would make that part of this story? More than any other experiences, team
sports molded me into who I am. Teamwork means working with others to
accomplish a shared goal. It means discovering what each other does best, and
how to use that particular talent to win the game. This kid is a great
rebounder, this one plays great defense. Not everyone can be the top scorer who
gets most of the attention. By the way, this analysis works just as well for
the NBA - can you say Golden State Warriors?
Did publishing your first book change your thought process on writing? Was it a positive or negative experience? Publishing a book is for a writer like crossing the finish line in a marathon is for a runner. I guess some writers are content to write for themselves, but I haven't met any. When I started writing Black Hearts White Minds it was to someday publish it. I wanted it to be relevant to today's reader. I had no idea, what with our current president and populist, by which I mean racist, resurgence, it would be this relevant. I can't think of any moment in writing the book that I would describe as negative.
The lessons I learned, the people I met and
interviewed, the towns I visited - all amazing, positive learning experiences.
And then, sitting down recreating it all in my own world, Stockville , Alabama
What is the most rewarding part of your artistic process? Getting to know my characters. I love them all. They are some of my best friends. Don't let this get out, but I talk to them all the time.
Was there an early experience where you
learned that the written word had power? When I was in high school I wrote a
sports column in the local weekly newspaper. For the sake of being clever, I
wrote a piece criticizing my high school football team. It caused quite a stir
and that's when I realized the power of publication. I look back on that as one
of the cruelest and stupidest moments of my life. Great Neck North Blazer
football team of 1972, I am so sorry, you deserved so much better.
In your opinion, what's the measure of
a successful writer? I feel successful when I hear from a reader. Whether it's
by email or a posting on my blog or at an event, when someone tells me that my
story made them feel excited, angry, outraged, you name it, that's when I'm
both humbled and I feel successful.
If you could pass on any advice to
authors out there reading this interview, what would it be? Avoid clichés and so
here is the most important one...don't give up. The state of publishing in America
Share some of your writing goals. What
projects are you working on at the present? I'd like to publish a
new book every two years. That would mean spending more time writing and less
time practicing law. Or it could mean writing, practicing law, and no sleeping.
I'm working on the next Carl Gordon novel, and I'm also working on
a story set in 2008 about a real estate developer who goes from wildly rich to
bankrupt in a matter of days when the real estate market crashes. Actually,
it's more about his wife. Readers can keep up with my latest blog posts and
upcoming events at https://mitchmargo.com
Jo Lena Johnson,
Publisher at Mission Possible Press, shares audio book reviews from Black
Hearts White Minds by Mitch Margo. Listen here
&
Listen to Mitch
read from Black Hearts White Minds here
Black Hearts White Minds is available
in print, Kindle ebook and audio book, is published by Mission Possible Press
and distributed from Ingram and Baker & Taylor.
